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Adam Warwas

Adam Warwas (Founder) has been writing about the Vikings for a total of eight years. Five of those years have been here at Vikings Territory where he continues to surround himself with enough talented individuals that people keep coming back. As proud as he is of what Vikings Territory has become, his real treasures are in his home... a beautiful wife and three amazing children (and a dog named Percy).

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krugjr
krugjr
7 years ago

maybe I’m listening to our future HC,,,,,Grudan

B. Grant
B. Grant
7 years ago

Yeah, the arm strength of Josh Freeman is really impressive, way stronger than our other QB’s. Me? I prefer the guy we had in there when we were scoring 30 points a game. Oh yeah, I forgot, he had accuracy issues, only completing 59.5% of his passes. Yeah, we got that fixed now too. And Freeman is certainly mobile. Not many QB’s can take a snap at the 20 and get sacked out of FG range. That is some mobility right there!

Maybe once Freeman can get more reps at practice he can complete 45% of his passes.

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Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

That’s fair. Ponder’s 30 career Viking starts vs. Freeman’s 1 career Viking start…after a week and a half. Stupid Freeman totally dismantled an obvious playoff contender.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

“…totally dismantled a playoff contender” which we were last year with you-know-who as QB. (But it wasn’t because of him, so that doesn’t count.)

Fair? Yeah let’s talk fair, Tomb, I’m fine with that. In the last 6 games started by Christian Ponder, the Vikings scored 36,23,37,24,30,27. But those numbers aren’t good enough, Big Reach, so the “fair” thing to do is have you stand on the sidelines and watch us score 10,7 (7 in mop-up mode and 7 by the Special teams.) You guys feel sorry for Freeman? That’s fine. I will feel sorry for Ponder and sleep very well doing so. At least now we’ve had the chance to see what bad quarterbacking really looks like.

Yes, krug, I am disappointed in our coaches, Spielman, whomever, going all the way back to buying into this anti-Ponder garbage to begin with. Leslie & Co. have to answer for this, and I am afraid that this flirtation with the QB position is going to cost him dearly.

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Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

You’re really obsessing on the QB position. Did you even notice how bad our defense is playing this year?

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

Come to think of it you’re right, Tomb. Somebody needed to bring that to my attention – thank you my friend. Someone else also mentioned issues with the offensive line. That was another area that had not crossed my mind.

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Tomb...
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

I’m here for ya, old friend.

krugjr
krugjr
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

good words, Coach…..I’ve never been a Ponder basher, but watching him from the day he was drafted, I think he’s missing the “it” factor, whatever that is…..a good QB but not a great one, and oh don’t we all wish we had a great QB to lead the Purple to the promised land…..I hear ya loud and clear, players have to be accountable, offense vs defense, etc…..I always come back to the same thing (yeah yeah broken record), no matter the roster, no matter the draft picks, FAs and trades, all of the above, if ya don’t have the right GM and complete coaching staff, it matters none…..this staff couldn’t coach 22 pro bowlers to a 500 record…..Dan said Frazier should call these guys for poor play…..agreed, and a step further, the Wilfs should give an interview in which they put the whole organization on notice,,,,turn this around or your gone….and do it now……and when the axe falls, it better fall on Spielman too…..Norseman nailed it, Frazier makes Tice and Chilly look like geniuses…..the networks are calling last night’s game one of the worse MNFs in history, and even give it as an example of how the whole league in deteriorating ( free agency, trades, salaries, coaches, Goodell, practices, safety, rules, loyalty, owners, expansion. lawyers, fines, suspensions, sunshine, lollypops and rainbowws)…..what a laugher, Frazier is not only bringing down the Vikings, apparently, he’s bringing down the entire NFL…….whew, quick, Zygi, fire this guy before the collapse of the American Empire! waaaaaaaay too much time on my hands today…..

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Adam Warwas
7 years ago

I think I “loath” what he stands for on our team right now, Adam. I know I can’t deny what I posted, but my point was directed more at the fact that we didn’t give ourselves the best chance to win that game or save our season by playing this guy Monday night. His performance wasn’t just that he hadn’t practiced long enough. That reveals itself in throwing into the wrong route, reading a route different than a receiver, etc. This guy didn’t just come in from driving a cab for the last 6 months. He has gone through a training camp / 4 pre-season games / 3 regular season games… and he completes 38% of his passes. Thirty eight percent! He was missing guys on standard routes by a mile. Tampa let him go partly because of his 47% completion rate this season, so this should not have been all that surprising.

I’m still just generally tiffed that the whole fan base went so bonkers about our QB “situation” while scoring near or over 30 points every game – 7th in the league. And now… the season truly is lost.

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Reply to  Adam Warwas
7 years ago

Though I am “loath” to bring it up, in this particular case, you meant “loathe.” Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Norseman66
Norseman66
7 years ago

It is obvious that the coaches have lost this team. Time to do some house cleaning!!!!

krugjr
krugjr
7 years ago

coach,you have nothing to say about the coaches who prepared him and made the call to play him?

Dan T
Dan T
7 years ago

I feel really bad for Josh Freeman tonight. I was on board with starting him, but it was ridiculously apparent that the guy wasn’t ready. There had to be signs of that in practice right? He’ll be the best QB on the roster in a few weeks, but it was a terrible decision to play him this evening. I also feel a little bad for Sherels. It isn’t often you see a guy go from potential cult hero to total zero in the span of about 20 seconds. If he makes that pick six we likely end up winning the game and he becomes a rock star. Instead he drops the ball and then fumbles away the ensuing punt to pretty much put the nail in the coffin. I do appreciate the fact that it seemed to matter to him, and the defense played better than I expected them too tonight. It would be nice if they hadn’t opened the game allowing another 16 play 10 minute drive, but they kept the point total down. Have fun at the weekly press conferences Leslie. If Spielman demanded Freeman start this week I sure hope Frazier lets us all know. Boy did this backfire on them tonight.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Dan T
7 years ago

I agree. Freeman was not ready to play yet. He was in a no win situation. I think it is safe to say that out coaches are the worst in the league.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

out = our

krugjr
krugjr
7 years ago

I’ve been sitting here for quite a while now and I can’t think of anything else bad to say about the current Vikings………so I’m going to bed now

Dan T
Dan T
7 years ago

I just watched Leslie’s presser and I do have one thing that I need to say. The reason this team continues to not make plays is because the coach has created a culture where not making plays has been completely acceptable. Dropping interceptions on defense is not something that just recently developed with this team. They have been terrible in that department ever since Frazier got here so I get irritated when he brings that up. If you don’t like it when guys fail to create turnovers, do something about it. Take them out of the damn game for a couple plays to let them know it matters. I’m so sick of watching our CB’s chasing WR’s without so much as glancing back towards the QB. I watched the Seahawks game last Thursday and was in awe of how much time their DB’s spent with their eyes on the QB. If you want to make plays on the ball it helps to see where the ball is. If you wait until it’s already in the receivers hands your not going to be very successful in this league. I’m just praying they don’t completely ruin Xavier Rhodes over the course of the season. This guy could be a top 5 corner in this league but he needs proper coaching to get there.

CSlinde
CSlinde
7 years ago

It’s one thing if your team has a bad year, but when they become a punch line…

Norseman66
Norseman66
7 years ago

I just watched the post game interviews with Freeman and Frazier. Some scary information came out that confirms that the Vikings coaches do not know what the hell they are doing.

1. Frazier said that they felt that they had a good game plan for Freeman.

2. The reporters said that Freeman only had 4 (yes, 4 practices since he arrived!)

Can somebody tell me why you would make a new QB who has had only 4 practices on a new team, throw the ball over 50 times and and think that was a good game plan when AP only had 16 carries?
Frazier never spoke up against this so called good game plan? Are you kidding me?!!! WOW! These guys are making Chilly look like a rhodes scholar!

Fan the Man
Fan the Man
7 years ago

Wow. Pretty hard to watch. Right up there with the worst Viking team I have ever seen take the field.
In Frazier’s defense, I’ll say. . . .shoot, I got nothing.
I think maybe he thinks, “Go back and look at the film” has something to do with time travel and maybe he gets to “Go Back”? I get so tired of him saying that 7 times each presser

Too many problems all across the board on this team. It needs to be blown up and started over.

I actually feel badly for Freeman. He’ll probably end up the starter for the rest of the year (If the O-line doesn’t get him killed) and he definitely threw some real bad balls but he flat wasn’t ready and had no business out there. The coaches should have been aware of that. Plus,he was under pressure ALL night.

Get on the phone Ziggy, you need to start over.

Fran the Man
Fran the Man
Reply to  Adam Warwas
7 years ago

QB, O-line, secondary, LB’s and up until this last game, our D-line have ranked at the bottom of the league. Our coaching has been laughable.
I’m sticking with blowing it up and starting over.
I’d also like to see new ownership, maybe even actual Viking fans running the team.

krugjr
krugjr
7 years ago

Dan and Norseman…..appreciate you guys gutting it out with the presser and picking up a tidbit or two…..as for me, I saw the game and I pretty much “know” frazier, so no need…predictable as our play calling…..Fan is right, the Wilfs best be takin’ care of business…..you can’t have the keystone cops running your franchise when you’re tryin’ to sell tickets and “build” your future…..VikesGeek said it pretty well…read his last two:
http://www.vikesgeek.com/

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  krugjr
7 years ago

No doubt! Freeman was set for failure right from the get go. HC, OC and DC all need their walking papers. The sooner the better.

CSlinde
CSlinde
7 years ago

I loved the wrinkle with Sharif Floyd taking kick returns. C’mon, give Frazier a break, I bet the Giants didn’t plan for that.

Fragile Freds
Fragile Freds
7 years ago

That was remarkable. Your old pal has never ever seen anything like that.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Fragile Freds
7 years ago

Are you referring to Jared’s sack where he had a tackle stuck between him and the QB? Yeah that was a first for me too.

Fran the Man
Fran the Man
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

That was extra cool to see. First for me too.
Jared had a good game last night.

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Reply to  Fran the Man
7 years ago

Leave it to Jared to get the Reacharound Sack.

If he commented on here, I’d give him an upfist.

CalVkg
CalVkg
Reply to  Adam Warwas
7 years ago

steve levy, the otter from animal house of espn

B. Grant
B. Grant
7 years ago

Let’s play Tuesday morning QB…

Who should have started at QB last night for the Vikings?

krugjr
krugjr
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

Cassell

Fran the Man
Fran the Man
Reply to  krugjr
7 years ago

Ditto

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

Cassel. No question.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

Ponder.

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Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

Webb

Dan T.
Dan T.
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

How about Freeman…but Frasier should have flat out told him last Wednesday that if it became a game where we needed to throw the ball on every play they would switch to the backup so they could use the full play-book and he better not have a problem with that. If they weren’t planning on doing that than I guess they should have started Ponder because they weren’t going to let him lose his job due to injury and he’s obviously healthy now. It seems the only QB they don’t care about hurting the feelings of is Cassel who is the only guy to actually start and win a game this year and has the best overall passer rating between the three. It’s mind boggling how they have handled this and I frankly don’t care whose fault it is between Frazier, Spielman, or Musgrave. One of these guys needs to step up and be a man and admit they messed up. I think all three of the QB’s would appreciate it if they just got some straight up honesty. “Cassel your the best we got so your playing until Josh is ready. Josh, we think you have the brightest long term future here but your not ready yet so keep working, and Christian, you haven’t performed well enough to keep the job but your under contract and we expect you to be a professional and play well when you get your next chance.” That’s how I see this situation.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Dan T.
7 years ago

Dan, I could not have said it better. That is exactly how it should have gone. I will give you as many thumbs up without crashing Adam’s website or causing a nationwide blackout. Well done my friend, well done.

Dan T.
Dan T.
Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

Thanks Norse…do we get prizes if we get the most thumbs up Adam?

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Reply to  Dan T.
7 years ago

A personalized reacharound sack from Jared Allen himself.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Dan T.
7 years ago

Sorry Dan, The website will only let me “thumb” once.

Dan T.
Dan T.
Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

That’s okay Norse, but apparently nobody at Vikingsterritory told Jared that was a “prize” and now I owe the dude $100, so if we could start a collection that would be great.

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Reply to  Dan T.
7 years ago

Ain’t that just the crazy part? When I heard Freeman was starting, I assumed we’d see a MINIMUM of 25 carries out of AD, with just a couple short dumps and some deep throws from Freeman.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Dan T.
7 years ago

Anybody who says coaching does not matter, the last time I looked the Chiefs were unbeaten and have the same team from last year.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

Well… there’s that one guy, Alex Smith.

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Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

Who? That the punter?

Norseman66
Norseman66
7 years ago

I just watched Frazier’s presser for today. Sounded just like the first one of the season. I think I am going to start writing my posts the same way he answers questions and explains things.

Fozz44
Fozz44
7 years ago

Spergon Wynn flashbacks. Still can’t get over the facts that A. Freeman started in the 1st place. B. He looked so absolutely putrid C. He wasn’t pulled in the 3rd quarter.

Tomb...
Tomb...
7 years ago

Last night’s game was so undeniably bad in absolutely every aspect, I don’t know if there isn’t anyone who DOESN’T deserve blame. I couldn’t even be mad about it, it was so bad.

I’m baffled on where to point a decisive finger of blame, so screw it, I’m calling out North Korean dictator Kim Jog-Un. He’s destroying this team.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

Could be global warming.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

Yeah! I say put him back on the Practice Squad where he belongs. No, no, not even that. Just put him on waivers and be done with it. Newt Gingrich, too! Same for the Obamacare tech guys, and that guy who pushed over that rock in the National Park… that’s right, waivers!! We ARE gonna clean house here, by gosh.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

You forgot Nancy Pelosi,

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Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

Cool, but we add Cruz to the list too.

Tomb...
Tomb...
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

Also, Hitler’s moustache, the Sham-wow guy, and Chia Pets.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

NOOOO!!!!!!! NOT THE CHIA PETS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tomb...
Tomb...
Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

ESPECIALLY the Chia Pets.

Norseman66
Norseman66
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

That is crossing the line sir. After weeks and weeks of unless care my Obama
chia pet is in full bloom and looks like a old Tito Jackson with a green fro. Damn Radicals!

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Norseman66
7 years ago

Norse…… C’mon man, bite the bullet. Those darned Chia Pets may very well be the curse of the Vikings. Off with their heads, I say!

the Sham-wow guy? I’m sorry… ?

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Reply to  B. Grant
7 years ago

You don’t remember that creepy little weasel? If someone were to ask me to sketch what a potential pederast looks like, I’d just point to the Sham Wow guy.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

Good point Adam. You have keenly observed that it is remarkably thorough and complete.

CalVkg
CalVkg
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

pederast? had to look that one up, and when i saw pictures of priests and jerry sandusky, i knew it was bad

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Tomb...
Reply to  CalVkg
7 years ago

In a way, isn’t that good news? Some people might look up the word and say, “oh, just like Uncle Rick at Thanksgiving.”

CalVkg
CalVkg
Reply to  CalVkg
7 years ago

i think i’ll go to a chinese restaurant for this thanksgiving

Dan T.
Dan T.
7 years ago

The Vikes claimed a former Philly corner off waivers folks…but nope, its not Jordan Poyer who was a defensive playmaker in college, it’s Shaun Prater. The Browns got Poyer (Vikes I believe were higher in waiver order but apparently didn’t make a claim). Prater had a decent career at Iowa and could be an interesting get, but after watching more dropped picks last night I don’t understand why they wouldn’t have taken a shot at Poyer.

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Tomb...
Reply to  Dan T.
7 years ago

That pisses me off. I watched a lot of Poyer last year, I wanted the Vikes to draft him in the late rounds badly. Can’t believe we blew a 2nd chance to grab him. Guy’s a ball hawk, a playmaker.

Tomb...
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Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

Oh, and rumor has it that he’s never choked anybody, woman or otherwise.

Tomb...
Tomb...
Reply to  Tomb...
7 years ago

….unlike the Sham Wow guy.

Norseman66
Norseman66
7 years ago

Adam should be proud of us. We broke 50 posts and have not even scratched the surface of the big issues (except for chia pets).

krugjr
krugjr
7 years ago

Coach…case ya missed it earlier………. good words, Coach…..I’ve never been a Ponder basher, but watching him from the day he was drafted, I think he’s missing the “it” factor, whatever that is…..a good QB but not a great one, and oh don’t we all wish we had a great QB to lead the Purple to the promised land…..I hear ya loud and clear, players have to be accountable, offense vs defense, etc…..I always come back to the same thing (yeah yeah broken record), no matter the roster, no matter the draft picks, FAs and trades, all of the above, if ya don’t have the right GM and complete coaching staff, it matters none…..this staff couldn’t coach 22 pro bowlers to a 500 record…..Dan said Frazier should call these guys for poor play…..agreed, and a step further, the Wilfs should give an interview in which they put the whole organization on notice,,,,turn this around or your gone….and do it now……and when the axe falls, it better fall on Spielman too…..Norseman nailed it, Frazier makes Tice and Chilly look like geniuses…..the networks are calling last night’s game one of the worse MNFs in history, and even give it as an example of how the whole league in deteriorating ( free agency, trades, salaries, coaches, Goodell, practices, safety, rules, loyalty, owners, expansion. lawyers, fines, suspensions, sunshine, lollypops and rainbowws)…..what a laugher, Frazier is not only bringing down the Vikings, apparently, he’s bringing down the entire NFL…….whew, quick, Zygi, fire this guy before the collapse of the American Empire! waaaaaaaay too much time on my hands today…..

Fragile Freds
Fragile Freds
7 years ago

This is exactly what the Vikings need right now. Hire this man.

CalVkg
CalVkg
Reply to  Fragile Freds
7 years ago

that is the best post gamer ever

Fragile Freds
Fragile Freds
7 years ago

Just once, Freds would like to see Leslie go off like this.

B. Grant
B. Grant
Reply to  Fragile Freds
7 years ago

And that was after a win!

Tomb...
Tomb...
Reply to  Adam Warwas
7 years ago

You engineering types are funny that way. Lots of rage, but never snap.

Fran the Man
Fran the Man
Reply to  Fragile Freds
7 years ago

I’ve been saying that for two years. It’s just not in his genes. He’s just a calm, layed back Defensive Coordinator.

CSlinde
CSlinde
7 years ago

Again, with the upfisting.

Tomb...
Tomb...
Reply to  CSlinde
7 years ago

I totally just upfisted your comment.

Was it good for you? I’m asking for a friend.

CSlinde
CSlinde
7 years ago

YO! Lets shoot for the big Hundo!!!

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