Does Frazier deserve another year?

[Brett A.]

Another poll for you all: Does Frazier deserve another year?

I've heard good arguments from both camps and want to see what you all think here. Not quite sure myself yet, although, I tend to lean towards "yes, he does."

He's made some mistakes of his own, but he has also had a lot of chips stacked against him. Inheriting Chidress' team (the main one), no offseason due to the lockout... I would like to give him another year before making any rash decisions. What do you all think? Discuss.

[Malte]

I wouldn't think that any coach would be able to do anything with that secondary we have.
I think we will be much better next year. Had a few things gone our way this year - we could have won up till about 6-7.. I know things haven't gone our way, but I hope and do think we will be very competetive next year and i do believe the players keep working hard for Leslie Frazier.. We just need more consistiency..

[B. Grant]

Well, you know how strongly I feel that he does certainly deserve another year. Coaches are going to make mistakes, especially first year guys. You have to give the man time to make this his team. Fans who think you get this job, have a few practices and then win games, just simply do not get it. (I'd like to strangle some of those knuckleheads who rant on the Strib after losses.) He inherited problems, put a new coaching staff in place, had no offseason, drew a blank from McNabb, and then lost more secondary players than some teams do in five years. I would hope no reasonable person would fire a coach who was dealt that hand.

[c.carterhof]

At this point...yeah he gets another year.
But, there are still 4 more games to play. I know we have crap for DB's, but a good coach will find a way to keep you competitive. No?
I would like to see us win at least two of those games, at the very least he has to win one. And stay in all the games.

2-14? No, that ain't gonna cut it with me. So, I'm in the 'lets let this thing play out' category.

[B. Grant]

cart, at 2-14 he still deserves another year. We both know this team has been competitive. Two wins plus San Diego, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Kansas City, Oakland, Atlanta, & Denver games all slipped away for various reasons, including some first year coaching, yes. They are not that far from turning this record around and he deserves the right to have learned from some of his experiences. You must give him the draft picks he has coming from enduring this season, and let him reap some advantage of living with a rookie QB. He has a done a a lot of things you like to see in a coach, and some of what we have seen this season is because he stuck to some important standards. Sometimes this is the price for setting a culture. We both know how many very good coaches started their first year with records like this. Keep the long range in mind so we can see what the man can really do - this season is not a full measure of that.

[Fran the Man]

Yeah, he deserves another season (All though I voted no) if not only for the lost off-season. Not having a chance to work with your players and a rookie QB in the off-season is unprecedented, I believe, so yep give the Cat another shot.
I sure would like to see him holler at a player once in a while. The guy is just too emotionless.

Coach made the best case for his return in saying let him reap the rewards (High draft picks) for this lousy season.

If STL and Indy somehow find a way to win a couple of games and we are unfortunate enough to lose the rest of ours, can you guys imagine what we could get if we had Andrew Luck to dangle around prior to draft day?
Holy smokes, we could just about fix our D-Back and O-line woes. Possibly 3 first round picks?
A guy can dream, can't he?

[B. Grant]

Fran: "I sure would like to see him holler at a player once in a while. The guy is just too emotionless."
Seems like I recall them saying that about another coach around here 40-some years ago.

[Brett A.]

A guy can dream, can't he?

I said the same thing the other day in another thread. Indy is going to be SET if they get that first pick. I firmly believe that they will NOT take Luck... despite what ALL the Mock Drafts say.

[adammwarwas]

Whoever gets that first pick will select Luck. They may not keep him, but they will take him. Take it to the bank.

In terms of a coach yelling at his players, I wouldn't mind seeing some fire under the arses of these guys, but I don't ever recall Mr. Dungy yelling at his players... not once. And he's done alright for himself.

[Fran the Man]

Fran: "I sure would like to see him holler at a player once in a while. The guy is just too emotionless."
Seems like I recall them saying that about another coach around here 40-some years ago.

Would that other coach have the initials of BG?

[B. Grant]

That's altogether possible, Fran. Personally, I like a coach who is using his time on the sidelines to think, and if people don't believe Leslie is doing that during those motionless times, I believe they are sorely mistaken. Consider Dungy, Billicek, Reid, Tomlin, McCarthy, Lovie... Go back to Tom Landry, Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Chuck Knox, these people are under control during a game. Now there were others more animated to be sure, but Leslie's demeanor is not a problem for a coach. And playing with elevated emotion can be good at times, but it can also be harmful. The Lions' emotional play is killing them right now. I believe guys at the pro level should know the required level of energy they need to bring to a game, while keeping their emotions in check.

[adammwarwas]

That's well said coach. I also like to think that while Frazier is the head coach and gets the most face time on TV, the players that are need of an ass chewing could very well be getting one from any of their various assistants... or veteran teammates... or Ragnar... or that blond cheerleader with the nice dimples... or the drunk guy with the season tickets...

[B. Grant]

You're right Adam. A coach always has plenty of help for that task. That, and input on the play that should have been called.

[Brett A.]

Whoever gets that first pick will select Luck.

I'll take it to the bank. Wanna bet? Haha...

[adammwarwas]

Just name the amount, Brett.

[Brett A.]

Haha. Let's wait until the draft order is set. If the Colts have the #1 pick, I'll make the bet.

[Fran the Man]

That's altogether possible, Fran. Personally, I like a coach who is using his time on the sidelines to think, and if people don't believe Leslie is doing that during those motionless times, I believe they are sorely mistaken. Consider Dungy, Billicek, Reid, Tomlin, McCarthy, Lovie... Go back to Tom Landry, Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Chuck Knox, these people are under control during a game. Now there were others more animated to be sure, but Leslie's demeanor is not a problem for a coach. And playing with elevated emotion can be good at times, but it can also be harmful. The Lions' emotional play is killing them right now. I believe guys at the pro level should know the required level of energy they need to bring to a game, while keeping their emotions in check.

I'm not looking for angry, wild-eyed coach in the least. I prefer the calm, quite demeanor in a coach my self but I'd at least like to see the guy show some disappointment at times, especially when his defensive players blow assignments time after time. Frazier was DB himself, and a good one. I'd at least like to know that he's a bit disappointed at times that the position that he played himself, is the biggest hole in team.
I like the guy a lot and obviously he’s a good coach and hopefully he’ll become a good Head coach when he has a full season to prepare.
Time will tell.